CichlidFish.com - Fish That Think.

by **OscarCranky** on Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:19 am

Hi Guys,
My Name is Billy. Cichlidfish, do you remember me? I have a web site called Cichlidtalk.com. It has actually has been down for months, and I am finely getting back up. It should be up soon!:D

Well I just wanted to say hi, I will probably be around.

Thanks, Billy

by **stilllearnin** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:00 am

Stick around we need more people from the midwest around

Checked out you site ,looks pretty good - you might want to double check some info in your profiles section though,but at least your more dedicated to building a site then me

Good luck with the site

by **OscarCranky** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:02 am

Thanks,

Checked out you site ,looks pretty good - you might want to double check some info in your profiles section though,but at least your more dedicated to building a site then me

What do you mean???????

Billy

by **stilllearnin** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:59 am

Didn't want to seem like I was trying to pick it apart,I know how much work goes into websites,like I said your farther along then me,

But since you asked,maybe it will help you out some

Severum

Green Severum Heros Severus
Gold Severum Heros Severus

Common severums are Heros appendiculatus
Heros Severus are the mouth brooding severum (less common usually have red stomaches)

Size: to 6"

should be more like 10"

Oscar Profile

Lutino Oscar Hybrid of the Astronotus Albino Tiger
Red Tiger Oscar Astronotus Orbiculatus
Red Oscar Astronotus Orbiculatus Fire Oscar
Albino Oscar Astronotus Ocellatus

Those are all the same fish,all just color morphs of Astronotus Ocellatus.

A.Orbiculatus look like Ocellatus but aren't/weren't common when some of those morphs were brought into (bred) the hobby.

Lutino and Albino's are the same fish - with lutino being the correct genetic term and albino being the market term that got stuck on them. True albinos do not yet exist in the hobby.

pH: 6.5-7.5

pH range: 6.0 - 8.0;

Discus

you have

Symphysodon discus

as the Scientific Name in the profile and

Sympysodon Aequufasciata

as the Scientific Name on the link

Symphysodon discus
pH range: 4.2 - 6.2

Symphysodon aequifasciatus
pH range: 5.0 - 8.0

The eggs are laid on carefully cleaned stones

Discus aren't substrate spawners,they lay their eggs vertically,on the side of a pot,plant ,side of the tank etc...

Some Genus names are a little outdated (here's some)

Midas Cichlid
Herichthys Citrinellus is now Amphilophus

Wolf Cichlid
Herichthys Dovii is now Parachromis

Monarch Cichlid
Herichthys Friedrichsthali is now Parachromis

Red Devil
Herichthys Labiatus is now Amphilophus

Black Belt Cichlid
Herichthys Maculicauda is now Vieja

Juguar Cichlid
Herichthys Managuense is now Parachromis

Nicaraguan Cichlid
Herichthys Nicaraguense is now Copora

Convict
Herichthys Nigrofasciatus is now Archocentrus

T-Bar Cichlid
Herichthys Sajica is now Archocentrus

Salvini
Herichthys Salvini is now Nandopsis

Jack Dempesy
Herichthys Octofasciatus is now Nandopsis

Pastel Cichlid
Herichthys Synspilus is now Vieja

Three-Spot Cichlid/ Trimac
Herichthys Trimaculatus is now Amphilophus

Turquoise Cichlid/ Umbee
Herchthys Umbriferum is now Caquetaia

Orange Tiger
Herichthys Urophthalmus is now Amphilophus

by **OscarCranky** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 2:42 pm

OK,

Severum,
I did not know that, every book I have ever read said Severus. I have also never had one get that big befor.

Oscars,
Well this is a tricky one. "Dr. Axelrods Most Cmplete Colored Lexicon of Cichlids", is where I got this info.

Some Quotes from the book,

Astronotus Ocellatus,
This species comes from the Amazon Regions and is characterized by more than one ocellus along the base of the dorsal.

Astronotus Orbicolatus,
For now I am using the name A. Orbiculatus for oscars lacking ocelli in the dorsal fin and pectoral.

Astronotus Orbiculatus was the fish used for the basis of the red oscar which originated in Thailand.

Also, there has been 7 reported cases of true albino oscars, with no pigment and red eyes. I was told this by a good frind that is deep in the hobbie. If you are wondering his name is Butch.

Discus,
I know they spawn vertically, and the stones they lay on have to be clean to. I was given that profile by someone on the net, I don't know who. I just mist the name error.

The names,
I knew they were out of date, but I'm have problimes finding the updated names. I will use the names you gave in my next update, my frind Jeff is also helping me with that. If you have any more name changes, I could use the help.

Thanks, Billy:D

by **stilllearnin** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:19 pm

Severum,
I did not know that, every book I have ever read said Severus

Unfortunately I see that alot in books too.

Here is a picture from Jeff Rapps site of a Severus

I have also never had one get that big befor.

Gold (appendiculatus) over 6"

by **stilllearnin** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:58 pm

Astronotus Ocellatus,This species comes from the Amazon Regions and is characterized by more than one ocellus along the base of the dorsal.

Not always - this is part of what started the myth about oscars being sexable by their ocelli

The dorsal ocelli seem to occur only in western Amazonian Astronotus, however, and only Peruvian Astronotus ocellatus have been studied in some detail.

<--Sven O Kullander's latest study

Astronotus Orbicolatus,For now I am using the name A. Orbiculatus for oscars lacking ocelli in the dorsal fin and pectoral.

This is another confuseing discription - because I have seen some
ocellatus and alot of crassipinnis that would fit this discription.
This is also the reason they made orbicularus an invalid species for a while.(lot of scientists still refuse to reconize it)

Some Quotes from the book,

Do yourself a favor stop believing books - Just kidding - well sort of,one thing I do notice though is ALOT of cichlid books seem to just be reworks on old and often wrong information.After and old (experianced) local breeder told me that it seems to prove pretty true - seems you can cross match the referances between alot of good and alot of junk books

Also, there has been 7 reported cases of true albino oscars, with no pigment and red eyes. I was told this by a good frind that is deep in the hobbie. If you are wondering his name is Butch.

Theres actually alot more reports then that - but most prove to be B.S. I know I lost a decient amount of money twice now paying for fish that developed color once they got some size on them

I've seen 2 adults but both supposedly went somewhere in asia at a price way to high for me

Ever see (or hear of ) one that can be brought in the U.S. for a few grand or less - let me know I'd be interested.

but they're still all Astronotus ocellatus (lutino and albino)

Discus,I know they spawn vertically

my bad I must have misread that part .

If you have any more name changes, I could use the help.

If I get a chance I'll look at your site again later and check some names - Like I said before - didn't want to come off like I was tearing up or nitpicking your site,better site then most of the new cichlid sites I've seen good luck with it.

by **cichlidfish** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:19 pm

Hi Billy, I just replied to your PM, good to see you on here. Mind if we make you moderator?

by **OscarCranky** on Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:48 pm

It's all cool! I will do some fixing on my site soon. Is there a site that has all the updated names?

Sure, I would love to be a mod!

Later, Billy

by **stilllearnin** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:08 am

Is there a site that has all the updated names?

Haven't found one that keeps all the names updated

but
http://www.fishbase.org has alot of them and alot of other info if your looking to do more profiles.

by **OscarCranky** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:35 am

Thanks, I will check it out.

Later, Billy

by **MidasKnight** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:34 am

Maybe you two should join forces?

by **stilllearnin** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:36 am

Maybe you two should join forces?

There's noone against each other now

by **OscarCranky** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:27 pm

LOL! What sould we do to gather?