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Cylcled tank horribly cloudy, please help!

Postby Deb55 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:01 am

I am very new to aquariums and fish keeping. Last October I rescued some fish that were going to be destroyed by a negligent owner and ever since I have been doing my best to research and learn about these fish and their needs. I have an 11 inch Oscar and a 12 inch Pleco in the tank in question. I moved them from their original tank about six months ago as the tank I acquired them in was far too small. These two fish are now in my 85 gallon tank that seemed to have completed cycling about three months ago. Around three weeks ago I noticed that the water was becoming slightly cloudy and eventually it has become so cloudy I can hardly see the fish! I have been talking to my LPS and reading on the internet and there seems to be very different opinions on how to handle this so I thought it would be best to ask again. I have read and been told that my tank has probably un-cycled for some reason and I was wondering if this seems accurate? And if so, I have read that I should be doing daily water changes but the LPS told me not to touch ANYTHING, as in no cleaning gravel, no cleaning the filter until my bacteria has a chance to thrive again. The ammonia is at 0.6 but that is recent as it was showing 0 a few days ago. Nitrites are at 0.3 and PH is at 7.0. I am running a Rena Filstar xP in the tank. I am positive it's not a water quality issue as I have another tank and that water is crystal clear. So as you can probably tell I'm rather confused as I've been told to handle this in two very different ways, cleaning and daily water changes as opposed to leaving the tank for a couple weeks unbothered. I apologize that this is so long but I'm trying to include all the information that I can think of and would greatly appreciate some helpful advice! Also, my yellow labs have bred(only 1 fry survived as I wasn't aware) and I was curious as to how old or at what size he could be released back into the community tank that has a Blue Johanni, 2 Sulphur Heads, 2 Albino Socolofi and the two parent Labs. He is around 16 days old. Again, any advice for this novice would be greatly appreciated!!!!
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Re: Cylcled tank horribly cloudy, please help!

Postby Barb Okla on Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:07 pm

Seems you took out to much water on the last water change.. Did you remove more than half??

Yes the fish store is right, dont' do anytihing and give the tank a chance to rebound.. It should have clear on its own in a few days.. BUT THREE weeks?? NOT good..  You do however, need to monitor the Ammonia and Nitrite and do a 20% water change if they get to high.. Above 1.0 to 2.0. As they are not yet to the 1.0 you are OK, but when it gets to 2.0 it is time for a water changes and you can VAC if you see lots of waste/food in the gravel, Bio is not easily removed  that easily, so you can vac to remove waste/food.. With the filter, if you have NOT cleaned it in the last 7 days then do so, just rinse the filter BOX out with dechlor water,  to not kill out your bio that is trying to rebound.. I have mixed feeling about the filter media pad, they do need to be cleaned or changed out to new as you have a Oscar, those are the messest fish around.. AS this can influence the water greatly if left too dirty.. Up to you here as I can't see your filter pads.. Your bio will rebound in days, but a dirty filter/pad is asking for high nitrates..

Also if you dont' want to go through this again, get some filters with Bio-wheels like Emperors.. Two 400 will keep the tank seeded and keep it clean and clear..  I never have any problems with my juvie tanks with 30+ in a 55 gal with two of these filters running.. cheaper to purchase on line..

HAVE you done any major water changes or CHANGED dechlorinater??
I had this problem when I went from Stress coat to Tetra Aqua Safe. My tanks all clouded up but cleared in a few days..

DID you add in ANY other type OF water conditioner/other BEFORE the 3 weeks to now??
Any time you add in any kind of water conditoner or purifier, you change the chemistry in the tank..

A whitish haze/cloudy is a bacteria bloom as the tank is trying to catch back up. So harmless really, but the Ammonia and Nitrite together say a mini cycle is taking place.. This tells ME that you removed to much water AND OR you/OTHER added in something  to crash the tank.. Do you have KIDS?

The only problem I see here is to monitor the Ammonia/Nitrites and make sure they dont climb to high. Do a 20% water change to combat this on either one.. that is 85 x .20= 17 gal of water, Best to do 20 so you can measure out the dechlo/salt right..

IF you have NOT done a W/Change in 5 days and the tank is stil cloudy, best to do one now..

Feed the fish ONLY ONCE DAILY until the tank goes to normal.. NO meaty foods, Beefheart/other messy treats/ meats..

On the yellow lab, it takes months to get them big enought so the others don't eat them.. so when he is at amost 1/2", then he can rejoin the others.. I have some at 1/4 in and they are doing  fiine in my 125 gal.. But I have lots of rocks for them to hide in.. They are smart, and dart fast into any crevis they can get into when the others are near.. they are mostly ignored at 1/4 to 1/2".. and that is 2 or 3  months old or their about..

Others may have more/other advice but it seems someone messed with your tank  IF it has been 3 weeks and this is still going on, then you best find out who it is and make them stop.. Removing to much water at once does this too, but it is stil messed up after three weeks.. not good.. 
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Re: Cylcled tank horribly cloudy, please help!

Postby Deb55 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:11 pm

Barb, thank you so much for the advice.  I have changed dechlorinator recently but I believe that I was overcleaning the tank. I never changed out half the water but my mistake lay in the fact that I was cleaning the gravel and the filter at the same time, not realizing that I should stagger them to prevent the bacteria breakdown that I'm experiencing now. So I do feel I understand the cause of the cloudiness(and have learned my lesson!) but I am still lost as to the length of time the water has been unclear. I have not been overcleaning or overfeeding at all, I have cleaned my filter and the water seems to clear a bit for a few days and then all of a sudden it will cloud up again.  It seems nothing I do will clear the water and I'm becoming concerned for the health of my Oscar. When I got him he had hole in the head and it cleared up after care and time and had never returned. Recently I noticed he is not eating as much and he appears to have a tiny marking on his head but in a different area. I'm worried this is due to the water. Do you have any ideas why the water is taking so long to clear? I'm just so unsure as to what I'm doing that is causing this! I appreciate your advice so much and hope that this tank clears up soon!
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Re: Cylcled tank horribly cloudy, please help!

Postby Barb Okla on Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:35 pm

WHEN did you last clean the filter??
And when you did, did you add in NEW media pads?

Now on water changes, did you do one within 5 days from NOW??
IF not, then you need to do at least 15 gal.. this wil help you on the cloudyness and also on the Ammonia/nitrite problem..

YES you can do a vac on the gravel. YOU need to.. This will NOT remove any bio..

YOUR fiilter now, YES continue to clean THE MEDIA PADS only and you can clean out the box its self with dechlor/or tank water so you dont' distroy any bio in the box..  a few days  off from when you do the water change but dont' let it go to long between the changes..

Keep monitoring the Ammonia/Nitrites and do the 20% at 20 gal.. As both are showing up, then the Ammonia should be 0ppm soon and the nitrites staying HIGH for a while longer. Water changes are necessary to control them..

AQUARIUM Salt??  Is any in the tank now?? Salt has a great benifit for helping to stabilize NITRITE.. So if you do not use it, you might want to do 1/2 dose of 1 table per 10 gal.. I would just measure out HALF of that amount and pour it in the front of the tank and let it dissolve on its own.. Wait for the next day and add in the rest.. This won't shock the fish to much and give the tank time to ajust to it as well.. I have never know it to hurt a cycle, so this should not bother it..
The Oscar is why you add in hafe now, the other half the next day..

As for the Oscar, This should not hurt him as the tank changes, so does he. So small water changes are done and he ajust with them... ON his head, the best you can do is just keep an eye on him and see if it gets worse.. then you may need to move him to another tank and med/care for hiim as before..
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