I know a few oddballs and anti-pet people [color=red](some annoying[/color],[color=blue]some reasonable)[/color]
Have a few annoying ones locally,that know it all
Locally they want dyed and deformned fish banned and I support that (within reasonable limits,anyways)
But I also just heard a speach about how some of them are trying to outlaw fishing and hunting here again
[quote]why disease like ich, HITH or as fights between species etc are allowed to happen. Dont happen in the wild (to as great a scale as they are previlent in the hobby)
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and this is case (to a point ) of misinformation or lack of knowledge.
In reality disease is a [b]lot[/b] more prevelant in wild fish.
Some things like Ich [color=blue](which is a parasite not a disease)[/color] is present in almost all fish, in the wild fish just have the option to hide and heal or hide and die. And nature allows it to happen not man.
Or take more serious diseases like Lymphocystis -
Wild fish (especially central and south americans) have up to a 75% chance of haveing or getting it. It is deadly to fish and common since it is said to live in the ground and wash into water during rains.
You rarely see it in an aqurium due to better health and care. When you do see it paranoa sets in for people who incounter it.
Same with fights in the wild they happen over territory and mates.
With the outcome either one fish is left homeless to move to a new area to fight again or die. Nature makes it happen , [b]we all know the saying "survival of the fitest" <-- that came from nature not an aquarium.[/b]
In a little glass box things can just be seen easier and for some people complained about easier.
I'll often side with the people trying to fix the environment so fish have somewhere to live but until that happens my fish seem content not being caught for food ,eaten by a predator [color=blue](predators don't understand being vegan or care what peta says)[/color] or haveing their water flooded with pesticides or being outcompeted by some introduced "food" or "sport" fish.
One thing that always stumps [color=blue](or infuriates / since they don't like they're own anwser)[/color] people who think fish keeping is cruel is to (be nice) and ask them, would you rather drink their pesticide laden , polluted water they came from or the tap water that fills their tank.
Then to be a smart alec
ask them to stop useing bottled water since it's putting such a strain on the environment
[size=100]Nothing against your friend, could be a perfectly reasonable person, their not all crazy and maybe they don't all think us fish keepers are all crazy [/size]
[color=red]but[/color]
Find me a Vegan who is a true vegan anyways - I've NEVER seen one! and likely never will.
[quote]Vegans do not use or consume animal products [b]of any kind[/b][/quote]
Yeah some go far ,won't even buy leather shoes, good for their effort
But most drive! Whats gasoline/oil? Why yes it's remnats of animals!
How about home heating oil? coal or natural gas? Why yes it's remnats of animals!
How about plastic? for cars, water bottles , etc.. etc.. Petroleum, and thats from? Why yes it's remnats of animals!
Coating over electrical wires? PVC plumbing pipes? wheres that all start? Petroleum again!
A steak is a dead animal, I'll never disagree [color=blue] (heck I'll even agree alot of farms could be ran/kept better.)[/color]
But in the end like it or not so is almost anything plastic or fueled.
So in the end - someones a hippocrate
[quote]After all is said and done, seems like fish are a second class "Pet"[/quote]
Unfortunately thats true for a lot of people.
Luckily not all.