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Postby junior on Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:28 am

Hey if you ever get in some wild Malawi africans. I maybe interested. I still need to finish off stocking my 30 gallon and I would like to add some wild fish in the mix.
Just send me a PM if you ever do. Now that I'm working enough I'll have the cash to do so.
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Postby cichfreak on Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:27 pm

The chance of finding any animal in the wild albino is about 1,000,000 to 1. They lack camaflauge and some grow slow, this makes it extremely easy for predators to kill. In the rare chance that they were really true albinos wild caught, I doubt anyone would sell them to you for $3. It being from Hawii my only guess is that someone released a large wild pair, in there and since their natural predators didn't eat them maybe they breed and maybe some survived. But I really doubt they are true wild caught.
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Postby webhead1 on Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:13 pm

you know what I find funny?

he listed places on and offline for you to verify information and you still argue,I don't think he has anything to do with fishbase and I've never seen him print a book in his house.

The worst part is he offered people fish basically at his cost!!!!! just to help get this section going and help people out and then come posts like he's selling fake? or false fish? If albino or these others are so hard to get or so expensive and he was trying to sell fish and be wrong or sell tank raised fish as wild wouldn't it of been easier to just list them as wild with no further details?

Then he even refered cichfreak to someone else? for what more arguments?

I myself seen this list of fish to pick out some stuff for me and it reads perfctly to to me as locally wid collected

I guess some people take everything people try to do for them for granted and now I see why he didn't post any offers for anything else he was going too and if it was me I wouldn't!

I think I'm about done here. It was real
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Postby stilllearnin on Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:42 am

I think I'm about done here. It was real
sheesh,you need to stop throwing a fit and stop worrying about it,theres no reason to get mad and not come here, over anything.


After we got done talking I thought about it and I see no reason to be mad - I tried to give people some help and hey it didn't work ,oh well life goes on but since people want to argue,and shoot down my thread even when I try to give 3 different sources to get the facts and people either don't check for themselves or decide they know better then printed facts I myself am done with this cl***ified section,I see NO point in the extra work involved in offering deals to people at basically no profit to myself only to have to defend my thread especially against people who refuse to read facts after I go through the work of finding crediable links to reverify the same information I post.
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Postby junior on Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:54 am

Comon Stilllearnin we love you here. I've been trying to save up some cash so I can buy from you and now you are pulling the plug. Just PM me what you got in stock, I won't disagree with you:D :D :D .
Most of the people on here love you man don't give up on us because of one bad response.
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Postby stilllearnin on Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:32 am

Just PM me what you got in stock, I won't disagree with you .
I will send you a PM when and if I get anymore big orders,actually check your PM's Junior

Feel free to disagree whenever you want I have no problem with anyone disagreeing , just don't ask for info and then disreguard the information and proof once it's given.


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and before I get another email - Yes, I deleted my posts,noone deleted any posts I made except me, I just seen no reason to leave a post for information to be ignored or further have a "sales" type add be part of a thread that even after other facts were proven the priceing was bashed by someone claiming to know how priceing works,seems strange though how many priceing experts you can meet online that'll turn around and ask you how and where to buy wholesale from.

Wonder how fast other people will decide to rush in and post offers or at cost deals to get the classifieds moving?
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Postby stilllearnin on Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:34 am

For those HONESTLY interested here is a list of fish now living in hawaii (some from OLD introductions) that can be caught :confused: living in wild situations.

ALthough I probally won't offer them again this may end up being helpful to some people later on if they ever see hawaiian fish offered again or those who may actually consider going there and collecting some while there.

Scientific Name Name Status :
Amphilophus citrinellus Midas cichlid introduced
Amphilophus labiatus Red devil introduced
Aplocheilus lineatus Striped panchax introduced
Archocentrus nigrofasciatus Convict cichlid introduced
Archocentrus spilurus Blue-eye cichlid introduced
Astronotus ocellatus Oscar introduced
Awaous guamensis O'opu nakea native
Carassius auratus auratus Goldfish Funa introduced
Channa striata Snakehead introduced
Cichla ocellaris Peac0ck Bas$ introduced
Cichlisoma Nicararuense Nicararuense Cichlid introduced
Clarias fuscus Whitespotted clarias 'O'opu kui introduced
Colossoma macropomum Tambaqui introduced
Corydoras aeneus Bronze corydoras Cory introduced
Corydoras aeneus "Albino" corydoras Cory introduced
Cyprinus carpio carpio Common carp Koi introduced
Dorosoma petenense Threadfin shad introduced
Eleotris sandwicensis Sandwich Island sleeper O'opu native
Epiplatys annulatus Killefish introduced
Fundulus heteroclitus Mummichog introduced
Fundulopanchax gardneri "albino" Killefish introduced
Fundulopanchax sjoestedti - Blue Gularis introduced
Gambusia affinis Mosquitofish introduced
Hemichromis bimaculatus Jewelfish introduced
Hemichromis elongatus Banded jewel cichlid introduced
Hemichromis fasciatus Banded jewelfish introduced
Ictalurus punctatus Channel catfish introduced
Kuhlia marginata Dark-margined flagtail native
Kuhlia sandvicensis Hawaiian flagtail Ahole endemic
Lentipes concolor 'o'opu hi'u kole endemic
Lepomis cyanellus Green sunfish introduced
Lepomis macrochirus Bluegill Bluegill sunfish introduced
Leporinus fasciatus Banded leporinus introduced
Limia vittata Cuban limia Cuban topminnow introduced
Liposarcus multiradiatus Sailfin catfish introduced
Melanochromis johannii Bluegray mbuna introduced
Micropterus dolomieui Smallmouth bass introduced
Micropterus salmoides Largemouth bass introduced
Misgurnus anguillicaudatus Dojo Loach introduced
Monopterus albus Swamp eel Rice paddy eel introduced
Mugil cephalus Flathead mullet 'Ama'ama native
Notopterus chitla clown knife introduced
Oncorhynchus mykiss Rainbow trout Rainbow trout introduced
Oreochromis macrochir Longfin tilapia introduced
Oreochromis mossambicus Mozambique tilapia introduced
Oryzias latipes Japanese rice fish introduced
Parachromis managuensis Guapote tigre introduced
Pelvicachromis pulcher Rainbow krib introduced
Poecilia latipinna Sailfin molly introduced
Poecilia mexicana Shortfin molly introduced
Poecilia reticulata Guppy introduced
Poecilia sphenops Molly introduced
Pseudotropheus Kenyi lombardio introduced
Pseudotropheus sp. "Albino"Zebra Cichlid introduced
Pseudotropheus sp. Zebra Cichlid introduced
Pterophyllum scalare Angelfish introduced
Puntius filamentosus Blackspot barb introduced
Puntius semifasciolatus Chinese barb introduced
Sarotherodon melanotheron Blackchin tilapia introduced
Sicyopterus stimpsoni Stimpson's goby native
Stenogobius hawaiiensis endemic
Tetraodon lineatus Globe fish Coral butterfly native
Thorichthys meeki Firemouth cichlid introduced
Tilapia rendalli Redbreast tilapia introduced
Tilapia zillii Redbelly tilapia introduced
Valamugil seheli Bluespot mullet native
Xenentodon cancila Silver needlefish introduced
Xiphophorus hellerii Green swordtail introduced
Xiphophorus maculatus Southern platy introduced
Xiphophorus variatus Variable platyfish introduced
**collectors also say there are also other fish also established that they don't have the right names for so I didn't list them**


This is a list put together from names faxed to me,listed as collectable fish by hawaii DAR and some listings by fish base.Since the names were directly copied some names may be outdated.
According to Hawaii DAR these species are belived to have been established since or prior to the early (19)70's and "Some of the earliest aquatic introductions occurred during the 1800's "

Supposedly some of the best places to catch these fish are in the Hanalei River,Secret small streams collectors don't want to disclose and their tributaries and Lake Wilson but it is currently partial shut down do to non-native plant infestation.

Lake Wilson is where they hold tournaments and have charters for red devils,peac0ck bas$ and oscars
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Postby stilllearnin on Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:18 pm

Do you have any way to order pseudotropheus flavus, pseudotropheus polit, labidochromis sp. "Hongi Island", or Ngara Flametails? If so, can you get wild or F1? How much? Looking for these, primarily the flavus and hongi labs!!!! Thanks a bunch!


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Like I said I'm done selling but,maybe this will help you out,most of what your looking for can be found fairly easy.Check these places or just order from Armke's and get a mixed group all at once and save yourself on shipping costs.

Good Luck


Pseudotropheus polit tank bred - only 10.00!sm - 46.00 wild adults

Labidochromis sp. Hongi Island F1...... only 6.00 ea.! they also have larger F1's and wild caughts from $8-$29
they also have:
stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—ML F0(S.T.Male). 45.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—ML F0(Male)..... 35.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—ML F0(w/S.T.Male) 79.00 pr.
Aulonocara stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—ML F0..... 59.00 pr.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—M F1(P.Show Male) 35.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—M F1 (Male)..... 25.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—MS(+) F1 (Male). 17.50 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—MS F1........... 12.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—S F1............ 9.00 ea.
Aul. stuartgranti “Ngara Flametail”—S F1(min. 6).... 7.00 ea.
and
Pseudo. flavus Chinyankwazi—L F0(Real,Show Male).... 49.00 ea.
Pseudo. flavus Chinyankwazi—L F0(Real,All-Yellow Male)49.00 ea.
Pseudotropheus flavus Chinyankwazi—L F0 (Real,Male). 29.00 ea.
Pseudotropheus flavus Chinyankwazi—L F0 (Real,1m,2f) 79.00 tr.
Pseudotropheus flavus Chinyankwazi—L F0 (Real,2m,4f) 139.00 gp.
Pseudotropheus flavus Chinyankwazi—S F1 (Real)...... 10.00 ea.
and
Pseudotropheus polit—L F1 (Rare, Male, 1 only)...... 39.00 ea.
Pseudotropheus polit—MS(+) F1 (Rare, Male).......... 16.00 ea.
Pseudotropheus polit—MS F1 (Rare)................... 14.00 ea.
Pseudotropheus polit—S F1 (Rare).................... 12.00 ea.


people are also selling:
polit (currently some are under $6 each)
flavus (currently some are under $4 each)
on aquabid.com
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Postby surfdude660 on Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:56 pm

How small is small? I want at least an inch long fish.
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Postby stilllearnin on Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:51 pm

How small is small? I want at least an inch long fish.
I'm not sure, email Armke's they'll tell you,they seem to be easy people to deal with that are willing to help out. I'm not real sure on the other place,on aquabid,you can figure out who'll be easy to deal with by their feed back #'s
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Postby red devil 2000 on Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:06 am

All those Cichlids are coming from Hawaii, what about Africa and South America, thats crazy:confused:
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